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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Reshaping U.S. Downtowns: Momentum Grows for Office-To-Housing Transformations Downtown Boston Office Buildings. Image © Shutterstock Share Share Facebook Twitter Mail Pinterest Whatsapp Or https://www.archdaily.com/1009433/reshaping-us-downtowns-momentum-grows-for-office-to-housing-transformations Cities across the US are struggling to fill their office spaces. Major cities like Washington DC, Boston, and San Francisco have increasingly vacant downtowns, while the urban centers of small Rust &#8230;</p>
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<p>Cities across the US are struggling to fill their office spaces. Major cities like Washington DC, Boston, and San Francisco have increasingly vacant downtowns, while the urban centers of small Rust Belt cities struggle to survive altogether. This trend is consistent beyond the US, with over three-quarters of Europe’s office buildings at risk of obsolescence by the decade’s end. The cause of this, in most cases, is simple: an oversupply of offices and a shift towards remote work. These vacant buildings can trigger a negative domino effect of economic and social challenges for cities, and their surplus, coupled with a housing shortage, has sparked discussions among cities and architects about the impending necessity to transform offices into housing.</p>
<p class="thumbs afd-desktop-e clearfix"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" alt="Reshaping U.S. Downtowns: Momentum Grows for Office-To-Housing Transformations - Image 2 of 7" class="thumbs__img b-lazy" data-nr-picture-id="654b144df96c76459ebc91af" data-pin-nopin="true" src="https://images.adsttc.com/media/images/654b/144d/f96c/7645/9ebc/91af/thumb_jpg/reshaping-us-downtowns-momentum-for-office-to-housing-transformations_3.jpg?1699419271" height="125" longdesc="https://www.archdaily.com/1009433/reshaping-us-downtowns-momentum-grows-for-office-to-housing-transformations/654b144df96c76459ebc91af-reshaping-us-downtowns-momentum-grows-for-office-to-housing-transformations-photo" title="San Francisco's Financial District. Image © Shutterstock" width="125"/><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" alt="Reshaping U.S. Downtowns: Momentum Grows for Office-To-Housing Transformations - Image 3 of 7" class="thumbs__img b-lazy" data-nr-picture-id="654b1447f96c76459ebc91ae" data-pin-nopin="true" src="https://images.adsttc.com/media/images/654b/1447/f96c/7645/9ebc/91ae/thumb_jpg/reshaping-us-downtowns-momentum-for-office-to-housing-transformations_1.jpg?1699419256" height="125" longdesc="https://www.archdaily.com/1009433/reshaping-us-downtowns-momentum-grows-for-office-to-housing-transformations/654b1447f96c76459ebc91ae-reshaping-us-downtowns-momentum-grows-for-office-to-housing-transformations-photo" title="Empty Office. Image © Shutterstock" width="125"/><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" alt="Reshaping U.S. Downtowns: Momentum Grows for Office-To-Housing Transformations - Image 4 of 7" class="thumbs__img b-lazy" data-nr-picture-id="654b156908e444230741598c" data-pin-nopin="true" src="https://images.adsttc.com/media/images/654b/1569/08e4/4423/0741/598c/thumb_jpg/reshaping-us-downtowns-momentum-for-office-to-housing-transformations_4.jpg?1699419543" height="125" longdesc="https://www.archdaily.com/1009433/reshaping-us-downtowns-momentum-grows-for-office-to-housing-transformations/654b156908e444230741598c-reshaping-us-downtowns-momentum-grows-for-office-to-housing-transformations-image" title="Central Courtyard Render, Weaver Building. Image Courtesy of Brooks + Scarpa" width="125"/><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" alt="Reshaping U.S. Downtowns: Momentum Grows for Office-To-Housing Transformations - Image 5 of 7" class="thumbs__img b-lazy" data-nr-picture-id="654bdaf8f96c76459ebc9836" data-pin-nopin="true" src="https://images.adsttc.com/media/images/654b/daf8/f96c/7645/9ebc/9836/thumb_jpg/reshaping-us-downtowns-momentum-grows-for-office-to-housing-transformations_6.jpg?1699470081" height="125" longdesc="https://www.archdaily.com/1009433/reshaping-us-downtowns-momentum-grows-for-office-to-housing-transformations/654bdaf8f96c76459ebc9836-reshaping-us-downtowns-momentum-grows-for-office-to-housing-transformations-image" title="Aerial Render, Weaver Building. Image Courtesy of Brooks + Scarpa" width="125"/><img decoding="async" alt="Reshaping U.S. Downtowns: Momentum Grows for Office-To-Housing Transformations - More Images" class="thumbs__img b-lazy" src="https://images.adsttc.com/media/images/654b/1454/f96c/7645/9ebc/91b0/newsletter/reshaping-us-downtowns-momentum-for-office-to-housing-transformations_2.jpg?1699419240" itemprop="image" bad-src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAUEBAAAACwAAAAAAQABAAACAkQBADs="/><span class="gallery-link__overlay">+ 2</span></p>
<p><img decoding="async" alt="Reshaping U.S. Downtowns: Momentum Grows for Office-To-Housing Transformations - Image 2 of 7" data-nr-picture-id="654b144df96c76459ebc91af" height="427" itemprop="image" loading="lazy" longdesc="https://www.archdaily.com/1009433/reshaping-us-downtowns-momentum-grows-for-office-to-housing-transformations/654b144df96c76459ebc91af-reshaping-us-downtowns-momentum-grows-for-office-to-housing-transformations-photo" src="https://images.adsttc.com/media/images/654b/144d/f96c/7645/9ebc/91af/newsletter/reshaping-us-downtowns-momentum-for-office-to-housing-transformations_3.jpg?1699419271" width="640"/>San Francisco&#8217;s Financial District. Image © Shutterstock</p>
<p>Adapting office spaces into housing might seem straightforward, but it comes with its share of challenges, spanning zoning, technical, and financial complexities. Zoning regulations and codes hinder flexibility in program usage and the exploration of new housing types. There are also technical hurdles related to HVAC, <a class="wpil_keyword_link" href="https://dailysanfranciscobaynews.com/bay-spaces-150-yr-outdated-water-pipe-drawback-nbc-bay-space/"   title="plumbing" data-wpil-keyword-link="linked">plumbing</a>, and natural daylight access, which makes some office buildings better candidates than others. Moreover, financial hurdles loom large, with all-time high mortgage rates and the still high price of office buildings.</p>
<p><img decoding="async" alt="Reshaping U.S. Downtowns: Momentum Grows for Office-To-Housing Transformations - Image 3 of 7" data-nr-picture-id="654b1447f96c76459ebc91ae" height="427" itemprop="image" loading="lazy" longdesc="https://www.archdaily.com/1009433/reshaping-us-downtowns-momentum-grows-for-office-to-housing-transformations/654b1447f96c76459ebc91ae-reshaping-us-downtowns-momentum-grows-for-office-to-housing-transformations-photo" src="https://images.adsttc.com/media/images/654b/1447/f96c/7645/9ebc/91ae/newsletter/reshaping-us-downtowns-momentum-for-office-to-housing-transformations_1.jpg?1699419256" width="640"/>Empty Office. Image © Shutterstock</p>
<p>As daunting as all of those challenges might seem, historically, the concept is not new. During the 1990s, both NYC and Los Angeles passed city ordinances to encourage the adaptation of empty office buildings to housing. In NYC, due to the ’90s recession and the 9/11 attacks, the city passed zoning changes, tax incentives, and government bonds to finance developers willing to repurpose unused office buildings. These helped convert about 20 million square feet of the lower Manhattan financial district into 17,000 homes. LA also saw a similar wave of conversions after the city passed an adaptive reuse ordinance in 1999, which resulted in about 15,000 housing units. </p>
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<p>Currently, in the US, similar changes and incentives are happening at the federal and city levels to offset the costs and challenges related to these conversions. Most recently, in October of this year, the Biden-Harris administration announced actions to support the conversion of high-vacancy commercial buildings to affordable residential use. These actions include new financing, technical assistance, and the sale of federal properties. At the local level, cities are also proposing incentives. Boston is offering property tax breaks to developers, while Portland, Oregon, is waiving fees and providing improvement standard exceptions. </p>
<p><img decoding="async" alt="Reshaping U.S. Downtowns: Momentum Grows for Office-To-Housing Transformations - Image 5 of 7" data-nr-picture-id="654bdaf8f96c76459ebc9836" height="427" itemprop="image" loading="lazy" longdesc="https://www.archdaily.com/1009433/reshaping-us-downtowns-momentum-grows-for-office-to-housing-transformations/654bdaf8f96c76459ebc9836-reshaping-us-downtowns-momentum-grows-for-office-to-housing-transformations-image" src="https://images.adsttc.com/media/images/654b/daf8/f96c/7645/9ebc/9836/newsletter/reshaping-us-downtowns-momentum-grows-for-office-to-housing-transformations_6.jpg?1699470081" width="640"/>Aerial Render, Weaver Building. Image Courtesy of Brooks + Scarpa</p>
<p>In response to these discussions, architects are unveiling imaginative visions for what these transformations could look like. Brooks Scarpa recently reimagined the Robert C. Weaver building in DC for the BRUTAL DC design exhibition. Their vision includes 300 units of housing, reduced office space, and community amenities. They addressed challenges like natural daylighting and HVAC location by replacing the outdated core with a shared central courtyard garden. Their design allocates nearly 45% of the space for affordable housing, promoting shared living options and showcasing the potential for repurposing large office buildings into new housing models. </p>
<p><img decoding="async" alt="Reshaping U.S. Downtowns: Momentum Grows for Office-To-Housing Transformations - Image 4 of 7" data-nr-picture-id="654b156908e444230741598c" height="427" itemprop="image" loading="lazy" longdesc="https://www.archdaily.com/1009433/reshaping-us-downtowns-momentum-grows-for-office-to-housing-transformations/654b156908e444230741598c-reshaping-us-downtowns-momentum-grows-for-office-to-housing-transformations-image" src="https://images.adsttc.com/media/images/654b/1569/08e4/4423/0741/598c/medium_jpg/reshaping-us-downtowns-momentum-for-office-to-housing-transformations_4.jpg?1699419543" width="640"/>Central Courtyard Render, Weaver Building. Image Courtesy of Brooks + Scarpa<img decoding="async" alt="Reshaping U.S. Downtowns: Momentum Grows for Office-To-Housing Transformations - Image 6 of 7" data-nr-picture-id="654bd95208e44477908fee6b" height="427" itemprop="image" loading="lazy" longdesc="https://www.archdaily.com/1009433/reshaping-us-downtowns-momentum-grows-for-office-to-housing-transformations/654bd95208e44477908fee6b-reshaping-us-downtowns-momentum-grows-for-office-to-housing-transformations-plan" src="https://images.adsttc.com/media/images/654b/d952/08e4/4477/908f/ee6b/newsletter/suma-brutal-plan-upper-02-reduced-7.jpg?1699469689" width="640"/>Plan</p>
<p>There is currently momentum in cities in the US to develop incentives to convert offices into housing. It is not in vain; urban centers need these changes to survive. The investments in reshaping these urban landscapes could pave the way for a new wave of office-to-housing transformations, holding vast potential for innovative housing solutions. Hopefully, these financial incentives and zoning changes will grant developers and architects enough freedom and opportunity to innovate and explore new models for social housing, creating more equitable and human-centered downtowns.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Downtowns are struggling with twin problems: too much empty office space and not enough housing. So why not just turn offices into apartments? Well, it turns out that in practice, “adaptive reuse” is complicated. And expensive. Still, many major cities are giving it a try — but not necessarily at a scale that will make &#8230;</p>
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<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">Downtowns are struggling with twin problems: too much empty office space and not enough housing. </span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">So why not just turn offices into apartments? </span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">Well, it turns out that in practice, “adaptive reuse” is complicated. And expensive. Still, many major cities are giving it a try — but not necessarily at a scale that will make a serious dent in either problem. </span></p>
<p><h2 class="HZ7Vo9 _1f39sH DFVVwC _1My7YX" data-currency="Text"><span class="HZ7Vo9 _1f39sH DFVVwC _3-to_p">Problem No. 1: too much office space</span></h2>
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<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">At the start of the pandemic, a lot of office workers began to work from home. More than three years later, it’s become obvious that many are never going back to the office full time. In July, 12% of full-time employees were working remotely and 29% were in hybrid arrangements, according to the most recent survey from the Working From Home Research Project (run jointly by several universities). </span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">When workers stay home (and as </span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">tech workers are laid off</span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">), companies begin shrinking their office footprint, shedding leases as they come to term. As a result, office vacancies remain high: The U.S. office vacancy rate in July was 17.1%, an increase of 1.8 percentage points since July 2022, according to the most recent National Office Report by CommercialEdge, a commercial real estate software company that tracks office vacancies. </span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">So while there is unused office space, converting it into housing involves lots of money and lots of red tape. And there may be fewer practical opportunities than you’d think. Steven Paynter, an architect at Gensler, a San Francisco-based architecture firm, created an algorithm to assess the feasibility of conversions and found that only 30% of existing offices in the U.S. and Canada would be structurally viable for conversion. </span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">Still, many major cities are undergoing office-to-housing conversions — or are, at least, proposing them — and they include Atlanta, Chicago, Houston, San Francisco, Seattle and Washington, D.C. In New York City, a developer is transforming a lower Manhattan building that once housed both the New York Daily News and JPMorgan Chase &amp; Co. into 1,300 apartments. This helps problem No. 2, but perhaps not in a significant way.</span></p>
<p><h2 class="HZ7Vo9 _1f39sH DFVVwC _1My7YX" data-currency="Text"><span class="HZ7Vo9 _1f39sH DFVVwC _3-to_p">Problem No. 2: not enough housing</span></h2>
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<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">This is referring particularly to affordable housing. This was a long-term trend that the pandemic — particularly early on, with its concurrent spikes in rent prices and unemployment — only made worse. The National Low Income Housing Coalition says there’s a shortage of 7 million affordable homes for 10.8 million extremely </span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">low-income families</span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">. Meanwhile, the largest group of would-be home buyers are middle-income earners who can only afford 23% of listings on the market, according to a June housing analysis by the National Association of Realtors and Realtor.com. </span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">More housing is the obvious answer to a </span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">housing shortage</span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"> and for lowering purchase and rental costs — and also for potentially helping to ease a crisis of urban homelessness. But urban areas, specifically downtowns, have scarce land and an abundance of zoning regulations.</span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">So, can office-to-housing conversions play a material role in solving the housing crisis? And will these conversions bring new energy to depressed downtowns? To gain insights into these big questions, NerdWallet turned to Tracy Hadden Loh, a fellow with The Brookings Institution’s Brookings Metro — a nonprofit think tank — and co-author of the paper “</span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">Myths about converting offices into housing — and what can really revitalize downtowns</span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">.&#8221; </span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">We discussed what’s happening in downtowns, the challenges with office-to-housing conversion, what needs to happen to revitalize city centers, the affordable housing crisis and why suburbs might be the sleeper opportunity to convert office buildings into housing.</span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">The following interview has been edited and condensed for length and clarity.  </span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">NerdWallet: </span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">This isn&#8217;t the first time cities have seen office vacancies in downtowns and other areas, too. Can you point to  some other instances and explain why this situation is different? </span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">Tracy Hadden Loh: </span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">When really devastating disruptions happen, it causes these fluctuations in the office market. But in the past, the office worker has recovered. Another really different example of there being a glut in the office market is that in the 1980s, the real estate industry functioned a little bit differently than it does today because of some differences in the U.S. tax code. And during that time period in a bunch of markets, developers built what&#8217;s called spec office — spec being short for speculative. So they just built office buildings even though they didn&#8217;t have a tenant who had already told them they were going to move into the building. They were just building it and they were like, &#8220;Go do something with it.&#8221; </span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">NerdWallet:</span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"> If you build it, they will come. </span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">Tracy Hadden Loh</span></span><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">: </span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">Right. And so I&#8217;m sure you can imagine that this caused a huge glut of oversupply in the market because people just built all these office buildings and were just like, &#8220;Something is going to come along,&#8221; and something didn&#8217;t always come along. And so a lot of this product just kind of sat there. But eventually it was taken up by growth and the market. </span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">It didn&#8217;t sit there empty for literally forever; it just took time. Eventually somebody leased it and new construction stopped. Then [governments] made changes to the tax code to stop the speculative building.</span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">What&#8217;s different about today, as opposed to those other situations that I mentioned, is that it’s happening at a time when there is this structural shift in demand for office space because of the flexibility of remote work. There’s been this big drop in the number of square feet per worker that office employers are using now. And then there are higher interest rates, as well. Those are an unprecedented combination of factors that we haven&#8217;t seen in the office market happening at the same time.</span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">NerdWallet: </span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">Does it seem like office building owners are trying to wait out office vacancies at this point, or are they looking around and saying &#8220;What else can we do?&#8221;</span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">Tracy</span></span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"> </span><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">Hadden Loh: </span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">It depends on the owner; some are more anxious than others. Some of them are richer than others and can afford to wait longer. If an office owner is like, &#8220;I don&#8217;t want to wait out a vacancy, then I&#8217;m going to maybe take advantage of some subsidies from the government or tax breaks — whatever it&#8217;s going to be.&#8221; But it’s still going to be pretty expensive to convert offices into housing. So you&#8217;d have to make it worthwhile to convert. </span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">NerdWallet:</span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"> What does it take to make it pencil out for a developer?</span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">Tracy</span></span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"> </span><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">Hadden Loh: </span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">Everything is expensive: the cost of labor is higher, supply chains are in trouble, materials are more expensive than ever. Everything&#8217;s expensive — even converting your office building into a nicer office building is. Converting it into housing would be expensive. Doing nothing is expensive. It&#8217;s just kind of a tough situation right now; we&#8217;re in a high-cost environment.</span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">The issue with the office-to-housing conversation is that people are kind of pushing a whole bunch of problems together at once, which won&#8217;t necessarily yield a rational solution that matches the problems. </span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">NerdWallet: </span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">The report unpacks a lot of myths about housing conversion and in downtown areas especially. One of the myths is that downtowns have too many offices when in reality it&#8217;s that downtowns have too little of everything else. Can you explain what everything else is? </span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">Tracy</span></span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"> </span><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">Hadden Loh: </span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">It&#8217;s absolutely housing — just to be clear. But it&#8217;s also restaurants, clubs, venues, entertainment venues, sports facilities, schools, hospitals. </span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">NerdWallet:</span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"> Like all the other amenities as well. That kind of makes up a neighborhood?</span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">Tracy</span></span></span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"> </span><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">Hadden Loh:</span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"> I mean, I wouldn&#8217;t even describe those as amenities. What do people do all day? It&#8217;s a lot more than just work and sleep, right? Work and sleep means offices and housing. But what about everything else? The trend, globally, is that productivity is going up. People have more time and more money to spend doing things that aren&#8217;t working or being at home.</span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">I think sometimes it&#8217;s easy for people to just say there&#8217;s nobody downtown. It&#8217;s like a ghost town and they&#8217;re not necessarily thinking about the other businesses and things that were supported by community workers, for example, as well as the city transit systems and how vacancies are impacting those things as well.</span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">NerdWallet:</span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"> If you start bringing in either new housing or converting housing, is the logical next theory here that it will bring the entertainment centers, it will bring the venues, it&#8217;ll bring the hospitals and schools and other things like that to an area — a different kind of &#8220;if you build it, they will come&#8221; scenario?</span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">Tracy</span></span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"> </span><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">Hadden Loh: </span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">I do think that adding housing in and around downtowns makes sense. Residential is actually a pretty low density land use compared to other land uses like office or retail or entertainment. Land in this central, highly accessible area is very scarce and that&#8217;s why all this stuff is in these locations, right? </span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">But generally speaking, downtown is all about proximity and accessibility. And so making sure that there&#8217;s a really good supply of housing near all the stuff absolutely makes sense. But the housing is not a substitute for the stuff.</span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">NerdWallet:</span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"> Let’s talk about affordability. Usually when you build more housing, rents will go down, right?</span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">Tracy</span></span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"> </span><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">Hadden Loh: </span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">That is how it works. </span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">NerdWallet:</span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"> But creating new housing in downtown areas and bringing in all these other new things, new businesses, etc., it seems like it could draw young professionals with disposable incomes away from other areas of cities and potentially alleviate some of the rent pressure in the areas they left. Is that kind of a hypothesis accurate or is it like not quite there? </span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">Tracy</span></span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"> </span><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">Hadden Loh: </span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">Yeah, it makes sense and that&#8217;s what happened the last time that cities built a bunch of new housing in and around their downtowns. But it also depends on what you build, right? Like you mostly build stuff that&#8217;s for rent that is actually going to attract and serve a different segment of the population. If you build stuff that&#8217;s for sale and you build smaller units then that also serves a different segment of the population.</span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">NerdWallet: </span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">I know some cities also require a percentage of new housing to be affordable housing with below market rents. But a small percentage of new housing while adding much more potentially expensive housing in downtowns seems like a drop in the bucket in terms of meeting affordable housing needs. Can you speak to the myth of office-to-residential conversion as the key to solving the housing crisis? </span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">Tracy</span></span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"> </span><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">Hadden Loh: </span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">The housing crisis at its core is caused by not having enough housing where all the jobs are and there&#8217;s no way to subsidize our way out of that or get somebody else to pay for the solution. We just need more housing near where jobs are and that&#8217;s it. So office-to-housing conversion can provide us some small percentage of that, like maybe 10%. But we need to also build the other 90%.</span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">We got into this situation by not building enough housing for literally decades in the places where there was a lot of job growth. The only way out is to build a lot of housing — like decades’ worth. </span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">We&#8217;re certainly not going to get out of it by using public money to create some tiny number of artificially cheap housing units some very lucky people will get to live in — because what about everybody else? </span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">NerdWallet: </span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">That&#8217;s why those lottery systems are pretty frustrating — all it is showing you is that there just isn&#8217;t enough housing.</span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">In cities that are supporting office-to-housing conversions, are those cities going to be easing, permitting or regulatory provisions that would allow for the creation of weirder apartments — I mean those that aren&#8217;t 100% fitting code like having windows in bedrooms? I just hear people saying, &#8220;Why can&#8217;t they just turn all of these empty offices into housing?&#8221; And all I can think is of the <a class="wpil_keyword_link" href="https://dailysanfranciscobaynews.com/bay-spaces-150-yr-outdated-water-pipe-drawback-nbc-bay-space/"   title="plumbing" data-wpil-keyword-link="linked">plumbing</a> alone. Housing and commercial spaces are just very different.</span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">Tracy</span></span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"> </span><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">Hadden Loh:</span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"> If we made it easier to build housing, people would build more of it and then more people would have places to live. It is kind of a no-brainer. And yet we don&#8217;t do it because we have this incumbent bias where we&#8217;re like, &#8220;Well, I have somewhere to live.&#8221; And so new housing would be &#8220;for other people.&#8221;</span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">NerdWallet:</span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"> Seems like it comes down to a space issue, too, right? It’s always easier to say let’s build up, except there are areas with limits to how high you can build, for example. </span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">Tracy</span></span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"> </span><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">Hadden Loh: </span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">In the most accessible and highly desirable areas, location is scarce. Yes, that&#8217;s one of the reasons why building housing there is expensive. </span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">NerdWallet: </span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">So empty offices are sitting on pretty expensive land. Would it just be easier, with the challenges to convert to housing, to knock down a building and restart with the intent for it to be residential? Or is that impractical?</span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">Tracy</span></span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"> </span><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">Hadden </span><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">Loh</span></span><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">: </span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">You have to keep in mind — especially with the cost of materials right now — that even when you do the demo, all you can salvage is the steel and the concrete slab. Steel and concrete slabs are expensive. So it would have to be just like a very, very particular kind of a building for demolition to be worth it to save any money.</span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">But there are a lot of low-rise offices in suburban locations that are highly accessible. These suburbs are desirable places to live. That&#8217;s the real office-to-housing conversion opportunity. </span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">Those will be many orders of magnitude bigger than the downtown conversion opportunity. And it will be primarily driven by demo. The offices will just be torn down and then much taller apartments will take their place. </span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">NerdWallet:</span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"> And they&#8217;re usually near those desirable areas that are also near some kind of public transportation. </span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">Tracy</span></span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"> </span><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">Hadden Loh:</span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"> Yeah, because that&#8217;s where the jobs were.</span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">NerdWallet:</span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"> What would actually need to happen to alleviate unaffordability in urban centers that lock out middle-income and lower-income populations? </span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">Tracy</span></span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"> </span><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">Hadden Loh:</span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"> There are two things that are going on right now at the same time. One is we’ve got to build housing near where our jobs are in order to address demand. And we need to build lots and lots and lots of it. And there are some metro areas that are doing this, like Austin, Miami, Dallas and Houston. I&#8217;m not saying they couldn&#8217;t be doing even better, but they&#8217;re building a lot in sunbelt metros. They have a lot of jobs, their economies are growing and their housing is also growing, so they&#8217;re remaining affordable. </span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">The other thing is that jobs can relocate. People can leave high-cost areas where there&#8217;s nowhere for their workers to live. Right. And they can go somewhere else. The rise of remote work increases mobility.</span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">NerdWallet: </span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">And we&#8217;ve seen some of that already. </span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">Tracy</span></span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"> </span><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">Hadden Loh:</span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"> Yes, this is not a hypothetical.</span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">NerdWallet: </span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">We saw an acceleration of that movement as well — the rise of remote work during the pandemic is why a lot of our offices are vacant in downtown areas. But also companies are probably wondering, &#8220;Why am I going to be leasing this when my workers aren&#8217;t even living here?&#8221;</span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">Tracy</span></span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"> </span><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">Hadden Loh:</span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"> Yes. Employers are going to locate where it makes sense for them to locate. They want to locate in places where they&#8217;re going to be productive and where they can get workers. And that’s the puzzle that employers are always trying to solve. For the innovation and knowledge economy, that&#8217;s still going to be in cities. And so what cities need to do is increase their competitiveness and lean into their inherent value proposition, which is housing and jobs. It&#8217;s not just jobs and it&#8217;s not just housing. But that’s what suburbanization was all about: &#8220;What if we have one set of jurisdictions that are just housing and another jurisdiction that just does jobs?&#8221; And people don&#8217;t want to live this way.</span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">NerdWallet: </span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">What are city and state governments doing to allow for office-to-housing conversions and more housing, in general? </span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">Tracy</span></span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"> </span><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">Hadden Loh:</span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"> Taking a comprehensive look at the zoning, the building code, the tax structure, permitting and fees. </span></p>
<p class="DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p"><span class="_1p2jF8 DFVVwC _3-to_p">NerdWallet: </span></span><span class="DFVVwC _3-to_p">Because there&#8217;s a lot of red tape involved. </span></p>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>A view of downtown San Francisco. Photo: David Paul Morris/Bloomberg via Getty Images An attempt to convert Office buildings in downtown San Francisco to apartments continued to advance Week, with the introduction of two actions by the Board of Directors aimed at reducing costs and streamlining the process. Why it matters: Office vacancy rates in &#8230;</p>
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<p>A view of downtown San Francisco.  Photo: David Paul Morris/Bloomberg via Getty Images</p>
<p>An attempt to convert<strong> </strong>Office buildings in downtown San Francisco to apartments continued to advance<strong> </strong>Week,<strong> </strong>with the introduction of two actions by the Board of Directors aimed at reducing costs and streamlining the process.</p>
<p><strong>Why it matters: </strong>Office vacancy rates in San Francisco reached 29.5% in the first quarter of this year.  That beats the previous 2003 dot-com bust record of 19.1%, according to commercial real estate services and investment firm CBRE.  The loss of commercial tenants is costing the city significant tax revenue.</p>
<p><strong>supporters of</strong> Office conversions also say it&#8217;s time for a new downtown that&#8217;s vibrant 24/7.</p>
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<li>One of the measures introduced on Tuesday would eliminate some fees normally charged for residential development, for things like transit and public art.</li>
<li>The other would streamline the process by changing a number of current housing planning law requirements, such as:  B. Details of exposure to natural light and parking of bicycles.</li>
<li>&#8220;We&#8217;re going to step out of the way and see what the market does,&#8221; supervisor Aaron Peskin, who co-sponsored the proposal, told Axios.</li>
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<p><strong>The Intrigue:</strong> You&#8217;re unlikely to end up in a corner bedroom with sweeping views.  That&#8217;s because the enormous footprint of many high-rise office buildings means that if remodeled, the bedrooms may need to be interior and therefore windowless.</p>
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<li>An assessment of downtown buildings indicated that conversions could create more than 11,000 new housing units.</li>
<li>But architect Mark Hogan of OpenScope Studio — who helped design the code rationalization proposal — says the best candidates for conversions, particularly affordable ones, are the older, shorter downtown buildings.</li>
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<p><strong>What you say: </strong>“We should start getting those qualities.  We should start building, we should find people who want to do some of these to prove it works,&#8221; Hogan told Axios.</p>
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<li>&#8220;To say that we will focus on 50-story buildings that will require hundreds of millions of dollars feels a little hopeless to me.&#8221;</li>
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<p><strong>Between the lines: </strong>Officials are also examining broad stimuli for downtown development like a property tax freeze and rollback of SF&#8217;s property transfer tax, which voters raised in 2020 from a maximum of 3% &#8212; depending on sale price &#8212; to a maximum of 6%.</p>
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<li>&#8220;I think freezing the property tax increase was a significant idea,&#8221; Supervisor Ahsha Safaí told Axios.  &#8220;We can&#8217;t fully control that here at the local level without government intervention.&#8221;</li>
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<p><strong>Zoom in: </strong>San Francisco&#8217;s proposals focus on downtown and Union Square.</p>
<p><strong>Zoom out: </strong>Other US cities are also exploring office-to-apartment conversions.</p>
<p><strong>Flashback: </strong>Ten years ago, the former AAA headquarters at 100 Van Ness Ave.  converted into 400 apartments.  Rentals now start at $3,212 for a studio.</p>
<p><strong>Remarkable: </strong>Office futures are not all craters.  Cisco just signed a multi-year lease near the Chase Center, and according to The San Francisco Chronicle, Donald Trump&#8217;s share of SF&#8217;s office space is 95% leased.</p>
<p><strong>What we observe: </strong>Proposed state legislation could pave the way for &#8216;ex of rights&#8217; conversions, skipping reclassification processes.  MP Matt Haney &#8211; a former SF overseer who supports the bill &#8211; says he wants to speed things up.</p>
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<li>&#8220;Honestly, I&#8217;m worried about whether San Francisco will go far enough or move fast enough,&#8221; Haney told Axios.</li>
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